<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">BRD,<div><br></div><div>No prblm..lng rply neces by qstn. Ans stl germn in svrl wks.</div><div><br></div><div>el<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 8/31/09, Brad Haslett <i><flybrad@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Brad Haslett <flybrad@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [Swiftwater Gazette] a reply to Elle...<br>To: SwiftwaterGazette@mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com<br>Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 10:24 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">EL,<br><br>2 BSY 2 RPLY N DPH, BSY STDY 777 ACNMS. SCHL IS OK BT NTNS. APLN S<br>GRT N MDRN. MNY CMPTRS. HD MNY TCHRS N HS PRPRD M 4 THS. TNK G-D 4<br>PLP LK U. MNY THNKS. MRR LTR.<br><br>BRD<br><br><br><br>On 8/31/09, elle <<a ymailto="mailto:ragdollelle@yahoo.com"
href="/mc/compose?to=ragdollelle@yahoo.com">ragdollelle@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Thank you, Ed, and welcome back....<br>> I have read your reply...I need to read it another time or two to digest it<br>> all...<br>> elle<br>><br>> --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Ed Kroposki <<a ymailto="mailto:ekroposki@charter.net" href="/mc/compose?to=ekroposki@charter.net">ekroposki@charter.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> From: Ed Kroposki <<a ymailto="mailto:ekroposki@charter.net" href="/mc/compose?to=ekroposki@charter.net">ekroposki@charter.net</a>><br>> Subject: [Swiftwater Gazette] a reply to Elle...<br>> To: "Swift Water" <<a ymailto="mailto:SwiftwaterGazette@mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com" href="/mc/compose?to=SwiftwaterGazette@mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com">SwiftwaterGazette@mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com</a>><br>> Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 6:55
PM<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Elle,<br>><br>> I got home yesterday evening/night. Arrived in<br>> Newark and spent night in Philadelphia, then drove 12 hours yesterday. I<br>> made it.<br>><br>> Now I will wade thru emails and web posts. I noted<br>> your comments. I do not pretend to be brilliant nor eloquent. I have<br>> made a conscious decision to walk what I consider the right road.<br>><br>> While I was in Ukraine, some of my unanswered emails<br>> were answered and relevant to your comments.<br>><br>> I met a second cousin. I had obtained his<br>> email address, tried to email him but never received a reply. Simply, he<br>> only speaks and writes Ukrainian.<br>><br>> He took my family history under his corner of my family<br>> back to the 1850's. His corner of the family has survived
feudalism, wars,<br>> communism (aka Marxism) and things that are hard to relate to. He lost an<br>> aunt to a soviet concentration camp, uncles to wars, etc.<br>><br>> We all know people who are in Osama's corner.<br>> They say he is a smart man, just give him time.<br>><br>> I say, and have said, it is<br>> important to know where the leader is<br>> going.<br>><br>> Marxism has not helped ordinary people, but rather leads<br>> to subjugation and dictatorship. The results of Marxism also known as<br>> socialism, progressivism, liberalism, Rockefeller Republicanism, are to be<br>> understood just by looking and reading history. Just take a trip to behind<br>> the old 'Iron Curtain' and meet with ordinary people, your contemporaries,<br>> and<br>> you begin to grasp the situation.<br>><br>> There are many good analysis of what capitalism<br>> is. What freedom means.
I recently found this old description as<br>> illustrating the difference between freedom and where Obama is<br>> going:<br>><br>><br>> Derivation of rights of men<br>><br>><br>> Consider the curious fact that never<br>> has there been such a proliferation, all over the world of … alleged new<br>> rights…<br>> Jobs, food, clothing, recreation (!), homes, medical care, education, etc.,<br>> do<br>> not grow in nature. These are man made values goods and services produced by<br>> men. Who is to provide them?<br>><br>> If some men are entitled by right to<br>> the products of the work of others, it means, that those, others are<br>> deprived of<br>> rights and condemned to slave labor.<br>><br>> Any alleged right of one man, which<br>> necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a<br>> right.<br>><br>> No man can have a right to impose an<br>>
unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on<br>> another<br>> man. There can be no such thing as 'the right to<br>> enslave'.<br>><br>> A right does not include the material<br>> implementation of that right by other men; it includes only the freedom to<br>> earn<br>> that implementation by one's own effort.<br>><br>><br>> Observe, in this context, the<br>> intellectual precision of the Founding Fathers: they spoke of the right to<br>> the,<br>> pursuit of happiness: not of the right to happiness. It means that a man as<br>> the<br>> right to take the actions he deems necessary to achieve his happiness; it<br>> does<br>> not mean that others must make him happy.<br>><br>><br>> The right to life means that a man<br>> has the right to support his life by his own work on any economic level, as<br>> high<br>> as his ability will carry him; it does not mean
that others must provide him<br>> with the necessities of life.<br>><br>> The right to property means that a<br>> man has the right to take the economic actions necessary to earn property;<br>> to<br>> use it and to dispose of it; it does not mean that others must provide him<br>> with<br>> property.<br>><br>> The right of free speech means that a<br>> man has the right to express his ideas without danger of suppression,<br>> interference or punitive action by the government. It does not mean that<br>> others must<br>> provide him with a lecture hall, a radio station or a printing press through<br>> which to express his ideas.<br>><br>> Excerpt from the Virtue of<br>> Selfishness by Ayn Rand*<br>><br>> In summary, my great, great,<br>> grandfather walked from eastern Ukraine to western Ukraine. He got his<br>> progeny out from under the yoke of feudalism. For a brief
moment around<br>> 1900 a window to freedom opened and two of his grandsons emigrated to USA.<br>> But for their courage and understanding of freedom, I doubt that I would<br>> have<br>> survived under communism.<br>><br>> Even among his heirs, I am a<br>> minority. Only some of us got the gene for wanting freedom.<br>><br>><br>> Recall the flak I took on the Rhodes<br>> list for pointing out that Obama beliefs were true socialism, communistic,<br>> Marxist. I was told that there was no relation between Obama and<br>> Nazism. I was told that Obama was a brilliant man, much smarter than<br>> Bush. We were told that being an eloquent public speaker was<br>> important.<br>><br>> I have made no secret of my other<br>> ancestry. Just before my fathers oldest sister died, she sent me a couple<br>> of documents in Russian. It seems that on the other side of my heritage
I<br>> am related to a very famous Communists. In fact the Russian's still<br>> celebrate a holiday dedicated to that lady. She was a pure<br>> communist.<br>><br>> My paternal grandfather changed his<br>> name when he emigrated around 1910. There is no one alive that I can/could<br>> find that could tell the true story. But knowing he was an entrepreneur<br>> and finding out who his relatives were, it is easy to see why he changed his<br>> name and his country.<br>><br>> Is there anyone who would not also<br>> say that Lenin was brilliant? And where did his brilliance lead? Just take<br>> a trip to eastern Europe and see for yourself.<br>><br>> It is easier to be a sheep than<br>> believe in freedom. Most people go the easier road. However, the<br>> greatest improvements for humans were accomplished by freedom and not<br>> slavery.<br>><br>>
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