[Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to be a democrat
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Jan 12 01:22:41 EST 2010
:) I knew it wasn't aimed at me when you said "petite". ;)
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Opps .... Herb and Elle,
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Elle,
>>
>> No law against using a shot shells in a pistol. You can get buckshot or
>> slug loads in .410, however, this reviewer doesn't feel the .410 shell makes
>> a good defensive round.
>>
>> http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm
>>
>> That said, and I think that reviewer would agree with me, you can use a
>> .45 colt round, which is an excellent defensive round, in this pistol too.
>> BUT, you could also shoot .45 colt rounds (these are not .45 acp) through a
>> much smaller and lighter gun than this. I have never met you but, through
>> the years I have come to understand that you are fairly petite. I have seen
>> and handled the Judge, both the 2 1/2 and 3 inch versions, petite is not a
>> word one would use to describe it. It's a darn big pistol. Probably not a
>> great match for someone with small hands.
>>
>> If a handgun is on your list maybe look at something like and SR9 or SR9C
>> Ruger.
>>
>> http://www.ruger.com/products/sr9/index.html?r=y
>>
>> I mention Ruger because I find they are more reasonably priced than most
>> American made brands but still a very rugged well-made firearm.
>>
>> I personally have a Bersa Thunder Ultra Compact .45ACP. These guns are
>> made in Argentina, but I read literally hundreds of reviews before I bought
>> mine and no one had anything but positive things to say about these weapons.
>> I haven't fired it a lot, but what I have, it has functioned flawlessly. I
>> might add that it just may be the simplest gun I've ever seen to take down
>> and reassemble for cleaning. They are also available in 9MM and are of a
>> size and weight that would be more fitting for a smaller person.
>>
>> Probably the best recommendation I could make is to go on down to a gun
>> shop and handle some of these things. Get a feel for what feels good in your
>> hand. When I was looking for a carry gun, I originally had in mind a P345
>> Ruger in .45 ACP. Those were on back order and no promise as to when they
>> might be available again. The Bersa I spoke of above was in the counter case
>> and it fit my hand like it was made for it. After a long night on the
>> internet reading reviews, I owned it the next day. There's a ton of
>> different shapes, sizes and weights of pistols out there, you kinda need to
>> go try some on.
>>
>> Rik
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>>
>>> It's been a long time since I've messed with guns at all (though I am
>>> considering getting a CHL and handgun this year); but I have to ask, doesn't
>>> the length of the barrel preclude legally using .410 shells in it?
>>>
>>> Other than that, my response is "cool". I can see it loaded up with a
>>> .410,.45,.410,.45,.45 . I think in case of trouble, not much chance of
>>> messing up...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Elle,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry if this has already been covered - my computer time is limited
>>>> so I`m just skimming `da list`.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm
>>>>
>>>> Fills a lot of squares. I`m headed out the door for Beijing and
>>>> Shanghai and hope to meet-up with Slim`s friend at the jazz club
>>>> there. Travelling without computer this trip because I was supposed to
>>>> move on commercial airline from Japan to China and didn`t want to fool
>>>> with it - taking company plane instead. Next time I`ll have laptop in
>>>> tow so the world will be safe.
>>>>
>>>> Keep the States together for me until I get back!
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On 1/8/10, elle <ragdollelle at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> > We'll meet behind the outhouse.
>>>> >
>>>> > e.
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to be a democrat
>>>> > To: SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com
>>>> > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:36 AM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Elle,
>>>> >
>>>> > Now that you have discussed it on a public (Google
>>>> > indexed) forum, how private can it be??
>>>> >
>>>> > Mike
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From:
>>>> > Rik
>>>> > Sandberg
>>>> > To: SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:54
>>>> > AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Swiftwater Gazette] Who
>>>> > wants to be a democrat
>>>> >
>>>> > Elle,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thinking in terms of societal unrest, one might
>>>> > consider a private, unrecorded purchase.
>>>> >
>>>> > Rik
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:19 AM, elle <ragdollelle at yahoo.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > rik,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, that was a junior sized shotgun that I tried....a
>>>> Remington,
>>>> > I believe. There is a sporting/gun shop only about 5 miles
>>>> away
>>>> > from
>>>> > here....as I live in the thick of hunting & fishing land.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > thanks for the link...I'm not so concerned about intruders
>>>> as the
>>>> > possibility of a second American Revolution......the true
>>>> Patriot
>>>> > country boys are getting restless.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > elle
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
>>>> > Subject: Re:
>>>> > [Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to be a democrat
>>>> > To: SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com
>>>> > Date:
>>>> > Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 3:27 PM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Elle,
>>>> >
>>>> > Not too many things will turn an intruder around
>>>> > quicker than the sound of a shotgun being cycled. :-) But,
>>>> I
>>>> > think
>>>> > I'd really want to actually be making the noise with the
>>>> real
>>>> > thing.
>>>> >
>>>> > Personally, my H.D. shot gun is an 870 Remington 3
>>>> > inch magnum 12 ga. with an 18.5 inch barrel (about 10
>>>> inches
>>>> > short,
>>>> > but still legal).
>>>> >
>>>> > For a woman, many experts recommend a 20
>>>> > gauge in the junior (they don't call it ladies) size. All
>>>> that
>>>> > really means is the stock is a bit shorter.
>>>> >
>>>> > This guy, Massad
>>>> > Ayoob is a 20 odd year police veteran and now runs a
>>>> school for
>>>> > folks that want to learn about home/self defense with
>>>> > firearms.
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob121.html
>>>> >
>>>> > Rik
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:17 PM, elle <
>>>> ragdollelle at yahoo.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Yea...it's a bit more than I had in mind...maybe
>>>> > a recording of someone racking a shell in a
>>>> > shotgun...that's
>>>> > probably more my speed...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Actually, I have gone out looking wiht a friend of
>>>> > mine. the only shotgun that I could heft & hold
>>>> > was a junior sized one....haven't decided if it is
>>>> time
>>>> > yet....
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > elle
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
>>>> >
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to
>>>> be a
>>>> > democrat
>>>> > To: SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com
>>>> > Date:
>>>> > Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:37 PM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Elle,
>>>> >
>>>> > Nothing wrong with a bolt action 30.06
>>>> > for longer range hunting. These were used as
>>>> sniper
>>>> > rifles
>>>> > (1000 yd accuracy) from WW2 up through Vietnam.
>>>> > Trouble
>>>> > with a bolt gun is a second shot is hard to
>>>> deliver
>>>> > quickly, which is why they were replaced by the
>>>> M1
>>>> > Garand
>>>> > and M1 carbine which were semi-auto.
>>>> >
>>>> > In a home
>>>> > defense situation, it'll sure as heck get
>>>> somebody's
>>>> > attention if you stick in their nose, I'm pretty
>>>> sure
>>>> > of
>>>> > that. But it's a little tough to keep in a
>>>> drawer by
>>>> > the
>>>> > bed or conceal on your belt, under your
>>>> > jacket.
>>>> >
>>>> > Rik
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM,
>>>> > elle <ragdollelle at yahoo.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Mike & Rik,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > thanks for clarifying.....it was the
>>>> 'A.C.P."
>>>> > that did not compute.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > How about a 30.06 bolt action military
>>>> issue
>>>> > rifle. (think I got all the terms in the
>>>> right
>>>> > order...)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > elle
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Michael D.
>>>> > Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From:
>>>> > Michael D. Weisner <
>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> > Subject:
>>>> > Re: [Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to
>>>> be a
>>>> > democrat
>>>> > To: SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com
>>>> > Date:
>>>> > Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:26 PM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Elle,
>>>> >
>>>> > .45 =
>>>> > caliber
>>>> > ACP = Automatic
>>>> > Colt Pistol
>>>> >
>>>> > I believe that the
>>>> > phrase refers to the "stopping power"
>>>> of the
>>>> > .45
>>>> > caliber round. It injures (or kills)
>>>> by
>>>> > hydrostatic shock. The shooter's aim
>>>> need
>>>> > not be precise to achieve the desired
>>>> > results
>>>> > hence no need to fire a second
>>>> > time.
>>>> >
>>>> > According to
>>>> > Wikipedia:
>>>> >
>>>> > The result is one of the world's most
>>>> > effective combat pistol cartridges,
>>>> one that
>>>> > combines very good accuracy and
>>>> stopping
>>>> > power
>>>> > for use against human targets.[9]
>>>> > The cartridge also has relatively low
>>>> muzzle
>>>> > blast and flash, as well as moderate
>>>> recoil.
>>>> > It's not a guy
>>>> > thing but rather a gun thing, although
>>>> the
>>>> > difference, in certain circles, is
>>>> > moot.
>>>> >
>>>> > You might be
>>>> > interested (or not) in the T-shirt:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.zazzle.com/because_shooting_twice_is_silly_tshirt-235375938142186348
>>>> >
>>>> > Glad to help out -
>>>> > Happy New Year,
>>>> > Mike
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From:
>>>> > elle Monday,
>>>> > January 04, 2010 7:42 PM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > What does
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 45
>>>> > A.C.P. – Because shooting twice is
>>>> > silly......mean?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Is
>>>> > this a guy thing???
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > elle
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On
>>>> > Mon, 1/4/10, Rik Sandberg
>>>> > <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From:
>>>> > Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
>>>> > Subject:
>>>> > [Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to be a
>>>> > democrat
>>>> > To: "Swiftwater Gazette List"
>>>> > <SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com>
>>>> > Date:
>>>> > Monday, January 4, 2010, 7:14 PM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Good evening All,
>>>> >
>>>> > Read this just now
>>>> > in some comments on M/M's blog titled
>>>> "Who
>>>> > wants
>>>> > to be a democrat"
>>>> >
>>>> > What a HOOT!! I 'bout
>>>> > fell outa' my
>>>> > chair!!
>>>> >
>>>> > ____________________________
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On January 4th, 2010 at 10:21 am,
>>>> > TigerLady said:
>>>> >
>>>> > My cat sleeps about 20 hours a day.
>>>> She has
>>>> > her food prepared for her. She can eat
>>>> > whenever
>>>> > she wants, 24/7/365.
>>>> > Her meals are provided at no cost to
>>>> her.
>>>> > She
>>>> > visits the Dr. once a year for her
>>>> checkup,
>>>> > and
>>>> > again during the year if any medical
>>>> needs
>>>> > arise. For this she pays nothing, and
>>>> > nothing is
>>>> > required of her. She lives in a nice
>>>> > neighborhood in a house that is much
>>>> larger
>>>> > than
>>>> > she needs, but she is not required to
>>>> do any
>>>> > upkeep. If she makes a mess, someone
>>>> else
>>>> > cleans
>>>> > it up.
>>>> > She has her choice of luxurious places
>>>> to
>>>> > sleep. She receives these
>>>> accommodations
>>>> > absolutely free.. She is living like a
>>>> > queen,
>>>> > and has absolutely no expenses
>>>> whatsoever.
>>>> > All
>>>> > of her costs are picked up by others
>>>> who go
>>>> > out
>>>> > and earn a living every day.
>>>> > I was just thinking about all this,
>>>> and
>>>> > suddenly it hit me like a brick in the
>>>> head,
>>>> > Holy crap! My cat is a democrat!
>>>> > (my apology to the person who actually
>>>> wrote
>>>> > this-I received it in an email)
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > 45 A.C.P. – Because
>>>> > shooting twice is
>>>> > silly.
>>>> >
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>> The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the
>> inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery ....Winston
>> Churchill
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> inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery ....Winston
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