[Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to be a democrat
Rik Sandberg
sanderico1 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 12 00:37:08 EST 2010
Elle,
No law against using a shot shells in a pistol. You can get buckshot or slug
loads in .410, however, this reviewer doesn't feel the .410 shell makes a
good defensive round.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm
That said, and I think that reviewer would agree with me, you can use a .45
colt round, which is an excellent defensive round, in this pistol too. BUT,
you could also shoot .45 colt rounds (these are not .45 acp) through a much
smaller and lighter gun than this. I have never met you but, through the
years I have come to understand that you are fairly petite. I have seen and
handled the Judge, both the 2 1/2 and 3 inch versions, petite is not a word
one would use to describe it. It's a darn big pistol. Probably not a great
match for someone with small hands.
If a handgun is on your list maybe look at something like and SR9 or SR9C
Ruger.
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr9/index.html?r=y
I mention Ruger because I find they are more reasonably priced than most
American made brands but still a very rugged well-made firearm.
I personally have a Bersa Thunder Ultra Compact .45ACP. These guns are made
in Argentina, but I read literally hundreds of reviews before I bought mine
and no one had anything but positive things to say about these weapons. I
haven't fired it a lot, but what I have, it has functioned flawlessly. I
might add that it just may be the simplest gun I've ever seen to take down
and reassemble for cleaning. They are also available in 9MM and are of a
size and weight that would be more fitting for a smaller person.
Probably the best recommendation I could make is to go on down to a gun shop
and handle some of these things. Get a feel for what feels good in your
hand. When I was looking for a carry gun, I originally had in mind a P345
Ruger in .45 ACP. Those were on back order and no promise as to when they
might be available again. The Bersa I spoke of above was in the counter case
and it fit my hand like it was made for it. After a long night on the
internet reading reviews, I owned it the next day. There's a ton of
different shapes, sizes and weights of pistols out there, you kinda need to
go try some on.
Rik
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
> It's been a long time since I've messed with guns at all (though I am
> considering getting a CHL and handgun this year); but I have to ask, doesn't
> the length of the barrel preclude legally using .410 shells in it?
>
> Other than that, my response is "cool". I can see it loaded up with a
> .410,.45,.410,.45,.45 . I think in case of trouble, not much chance of
> messing up...
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Elle,
>>
>> Sorry if this has already been covered - my computer time is limited
>> so I`m just skimming `da list`.
>>
>> http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm
>>
>> Fills a lot of squares. I`m headed out the door for Beijing and
>> Shanghai and hope to meet-up with Slim`s friend at the jazz club
>> there. Travelling without computer this trip because I was supposed to
>> move on commercial airline from Japan to China and didn`t want to fool
>> with it - taking company plane instead. Next time I`ll have laptop in
>> tow so the world will be safe.
>>
>> Keep the States together for me until I get back!
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On 1/8/10, elle <ragdollelle at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > We'll meet behind the outhouse.
>> >
>> > e.
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to be a democrat
>> > To: SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com
>> > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:36 AM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Elle,
>> >
>> > Now that you have discussed it on a public (Google
>> > indexed) forum, how private can it be??
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From:
>> > Rik
>> > Sandberg
>> > To: SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com
>> >
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:54
>> > AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Swiftwater Gazette] Who
>> > wants to be a democrat
>> >
>> > Elle,
>> >
>> > Thinking in terms of societal unrest, one might
>> > consider a private, unrecorded purchase.
>> >
>> > Rik
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:19 AM, elle <ragdollelle at yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > rik,
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, that was a junior sized shotgun that I tried....a
>> Remington,
>> > I believe. There is a sporting/gun shop only about 5 miles
>> away
>> > from
>> > here....as I live in the thick of hunting & fishing land.
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks for the link...I'm not so concerned about intruders as
>> the
>> > possibility of a second American Revolution......the true
>> Patriot
>> > country boys are getting restless.
>> >
>> >
>> > elle
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re:
>> > [Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to be a democrat
>> > To: SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com
>> > Date:
>> > Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 3:27 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Elle,
>> >
>> > Not too many things will turn an intruder around
>> > quicker than the sound of a shotgun being cycled. :-) But, I
>> > think
>> > I'd really want to actually be making the noise with the
>> real
>> > thing.
>> >
>> > Personally, my H.D. shot gun is an 870 Remington 3
>> > inch magnum 12 ga. with an 18.5 inch barrel (about 10 inches
>> > short,
>> > but still legal).
>> >
>> > For a woman, many experts recommend a 20
>> > gauge in the junior (they don't call it ladies) size. All
>> that
>> > really means is the stock is a bit shorter.
>> >
>> > This guy, Massad
>> > Ayoob is a 20 odd year police veteran and now runs a school
>> for
>> > folks that want to learn about home/self defense with
>> > firearms.
>> >
>> > http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob121.html
>> >
>> > Rik
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:17 PM, elle <ragdollelle at yahoo.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yea...it's a bit more than I had in mind...maybe
>> > a recording of someone racking a shell in a
>> > shotgun...that's
>> > probably more my speed...
>> >
>> >
>> > Actually, I have gone out looking wiht a friend of
>> > mine. the only shotgun that I could heft & hold
>> > was a junior sized one....haven't decided if it is
>> time
>> > yet....
>> >
>> >
>> > elle
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to be
>> a
>> > democrat
>> > To: SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com
>> > Date:
>> > Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:37 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Elle,
>> >
>> > Nothing wrong with a bolt action 30.06
>> > for longer range hunting. These were used as
>> sniper
>> > rifles
>> > (1000 yd accuracy) from WW2 up through Vietnam.
>> > Trouble
>> > with a bolt gun is a second shot is hard to
>> deliver
>> > quickly, which is why they were replaced by the M1
>> > Garand
>> > and M1 carbine which were semi-auto.
>> >
>> > In a home
>> > defense situation, it'll sure as heck get
>> somebody's
>> > attention if you stick in their nose, I'm pretty
>> sure
>> > of
>> > that. But it's a little tough to keep in a drawer
>> by
>> > the
>> > bed or conceal on your belt, under your
>> > jacket.
>> >
>> > Rik
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM,
>> > elle <ragdollelle at yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike & Rik,
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks for clarifying.....it was the
>> 'A.C.P."
>> > that did not compute.
>> >
>> >
>> > How about a 30.06 bolt action military
>> issue
>> > rifle. (think I got all the terms in the
>> right
>> > order...)
>> >
>> >
>> > elle
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Michael D.
>> > Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From:
>> > Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com
>> >
>> > Subject:
>> > Re: [Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to be
>> a
>> > democrat
>> > To: SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com
>> > Date:
>> > Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:26 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Elle,
>> >
>> > .45 =
>> > caliber
>> > ACP = Automatic
>> > Colt Pistol
>> >
>> > I believe that the
>> > phrase refers to the "stopping power" of
>> the
>> > .45
>> > caliber round. It injures (or kills) by
>> > hydrostatic shock. The shooter's aim
>> need
>> > not be precise to achieve the desired
>> > results
>> > hence no need to fire a second
>> > time.
>> >
>> > According to
>> > Wikipedia:
>> >
>> > The result is one of the world's most
>> > effective combat pistol cartridges, one
>> that
>> > combines very good accuracy and stopping
>> > power
>> > for use against human targets.[9]
>> > The cartridge also has relatively low
>> muzzle
>> > blast and flash, as well as moderate
>> recoil.
>> > It's not a guy
>> > thing but rather a gun thing, although
>> the
>> > difference, in certain circles, is
>> > moot.
>> >
>> > You might be
>> > interested (or not) in the T-shirt:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.zazzle.com/because_shooting_twice_is_silly_tshirt-235375938142186348
>> >
>> > Glad to help out -
>> > Happy New Year,
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > From:
>> > elle Monday,
>> > January 04, 2010 7:42 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What does
>> >
>> >
>> > 45
>> > A.C.P. – Because shooting twice is
>> > silly......mean?
>> >
>> >
>> > Is
>> > this a guy thing???
>> >
>> >
>> > elle
>> >
>> > --- On
>> > Mon, 1/4/10, Rik Sandberg
>> > <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From:
>> > Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject:
>> > [Swiftwater Gazette] Who wants to be a
>> > democrat
>> > To: "Swiftwater Gazette List"
>> > <SwiftwaterGazette at mailman.theswiftwatergazette.com>
>> > Date:
>> > Monday, January 4, 2010, 7:14 PM
>> >
>> >
>> > Good evening All,
>> >
>> > Read this just now
>> > in some comments on M/M's blog titled
>> "Who
>> > wants
>> > to be a democrat"
>> >
>> > What a HOOT!! I 'bout
>> > fell outa' my
>> > chair!!
>> >
>> > ____________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > On January 4th, 2010 at 10:21 am,
>> > TigerLady said:
>> >
>> > My cat sleeps about 20 hours a day. She
>> has
>> > her food prepared for her. She can eat
>> > whenever
>> > she wants, 24/7/365.
>> > Her meals are provided at no cost to
>> her.
>> > She
>> > visits the Dr. once a year for her
>> checkup,
>> > and
>> > again during the year if any medical
>> needs
>> > arise. For this she pays nothing, and
>> > nothing is
>> > required of her. She lives in a nice
>> > neighborhood in a house that is much
>> larger
>> > than
>> > she needs, but she is not required to do
>> any
>> > upkeep. If she makes a mess, someone
>> else
>> > cleans
>> > it up.
>> > She has her choice of luxurious places
>> to
>> > sleep. She receives these accommodations
>> > absolutely free.. She is living like a
>> > queen,
>> > and has absolutely no expenses
>> whatsoever.
>> > All
>> > of her costs are picked up by others who
>> go
>> > out
>> > and earn a living every day.
>> > I was just thinking about all this, and
>> > suddenly it hit me like a brick in the
>> head,
>> > Holy crap! My cat is a democrat!
>> > (my apology to the person who actually
>> wrote
>> > this-I received it in an email)
>> >
>> > --
>> > 45 A.C.P. – Because
>> > shooting twice is
>> > silly.
>> >
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